Hey guys for those of you who are curious about the history of the seduction movement, here is the history by my buddy warped mindless (as seen on the preface of my book Secrets Of Dance Floor Seduction):
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The Beginning
——————–The true beginning starts with Casanova and Don Juan. These two historic greats recorded their chronicles of seduction and had been studied by many men since. It would be wrong to say these two have no part in all of this.
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1980’s
——————–Although most credit the beginning of the modern seduction community to Ross Jeffries they would be incorrect. The actual beginning of the modern seduction community would be the day Eric Weber’s book, “How to Pick Up Girls” was published. This book was read by many men, some who later would go on to become veterans of the seduction community.
A few years later Ross Jeffries (RJ) hits the scene with his own seduction influenced style of NLP which he calls “Speed Seduction (SS).” Towards the end of the 1980’s he published his first book which detailed his philosophy and method for laying desirable women.
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1994
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In 1994 a student of RJ, Lewis De Payne, founded alt.seduction.fast, one of the first internet based groups based solely on seduction. This helped spawn an entire network of websites (a popular one being ‘Cliffs List’) and discussion forums across the internet based on PU.alt.seduction.fast quickly became infested with spam and to combat the problem Moderated alt.seduction.fast (mASF) was formed. Many of the big name gurus posted on there back in the day. Mystery, David DeAngelo, Badboy, Shark, Tyler Durden, Stephan Nash, Hypnotica, Zan Perrion, Steve Piccus, Juggler, Swinggcat, and Carlos Xuma.
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2000
——————–Although RJ has been giving seminars sinse he started his company it wasn’t until around this time that “gurus” started taking their students out into the bars and clubs. The first to do this was Juggler of Charisma Arts.
Juggler style didn’t focus on canned material but at the time wasn’t very natural either.
Soon after Juggler, Mystery followed suit. These two gave birth to the modern bootcamps the Gurus have today.
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2003 – 2007
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David Deangelo’s ebook “Double Your Dating” gets mass marketed to great success.2004 saw a small shift in the community. A user that went by the name of WoodHaven (Vin DiCarlo) posted a series of revolutionary post on mASF detailing what he called “natural game.”
In 2005, Neil’s book “The Game” came out. It was a national best seller. He was featured on talk and radio shows all over North America. The community, at this point, had been exposed more than ever.
This caused a huge surge in guys logging onto the internet looking for answers to their problems with women.
Along with a surge in popularity, a surge in “gurus” came about too. And with the gurus came the massive load of products.
In 2007 Mystery’s show “Vh1 The Pick Up Artist” hit the air. Again, this caused an even bigger surge in the number of men studying PU.
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Current Day
——————–The Seduction community is now bigger than ever and shows no signs of getting smaller or even slowing down.
Vins original post inspired a movement and now the community has experienced a big shift in thinking. Many people have now traded their canned scripts for newer, better inner game beliefs. The community in now divided up between three different schools of thought. Speed Seduction, Canned Game, and Natural Game.
Now here is a dirty Version Of What really happened by “RetiredPua” people suspect this dude is really “Ray Gordon” hiding his identity for whatever reason:
If you want to trace the proper history of the seduction community, no single event played a greater role than Formhandle’s creation of his “mASF” message board, what he called “moderated ASF.”
The board, owned by his company, LTSC, was “moderated,” which meant he had full censorship power to exclude anyone from participation. In one case, he publicly excluded a commercial guru, even giving instructions on how to block his postings on ASF. He published an “ASF FAQ” which touted the benefits of his moderated forum, particularly that it was free of “spam and trolls.” This made him a kingmaker, but he then went one step further.
Unlike other web-bsaed message boards, Formhandle invested a good deal of money in an NNTP-based web board. This allowed people to download messages via the same newsreaders they were using to participate in the original, free-speech ASF. Several commercial gurus wanted ASF vacated, because they could not control the flow of information, and everyone was on equal footing. Defamation, threats, and flooding the group with noise, then blamed on the target, were the only weapons available. Formhandle’s site reduced the equation to simple marketing.
In his ASF FAQ, he would diss ASF on USENET, offering his site as a superior alternative, with instructions on how to gakin NNTP access, after that critical first and only necessary visit to his site. From there, anytime they opened up something like Outlook Express, you would see what appeared to be just another list of newsgroups, but with several key differences: commercial ownership, a central repostiry, and total control over any archiving. The very things which had made ASF what it was, had given way to a commercial website which needed revenue to pay its bills, unlike USENET, which was funded by users.
From there, Formhandle picked up advertisers, and made stars out of all of them, because he had the first-mover advantage on the web. With censorship power, he could allow or stop anyone he wanted from succeeding. He soon partnered up with David DeAngelo, receiving a generous percentage of DYD book sales, which also generated leads for his more expensive products and seminars. Other gurus, like Tyrler, made their name on the boards, and through the LAIRS, which became feeder systems for the bootcamps. They hooked up with Mystery ndd Style, and Project Hollywood was born. ASF still existed, but every post there was met with a directive to the “new, improved ASF.”
Formhandle piggybacked the ASF audience and name, and once he hit critical mass, literally took over the community. The audience was warned that this would lead to over commercialization and many negative consequences, but did not care, often cheering on the censorship as if it were a great thing. Here we are now in 2013; the public can decide. So much of the ASF archives are forgotten or non existent now. Only a few books from that era remain.
That edge enjoyed by certain gurus in 2001 will never be duplicated, except in the mainstream media. Now we are back to a level playing field, but with too many chiefs and not enough indians. What happens next is anyone’s guess.
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